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Sequence of Recessions & Slowdowns | Dividends Make a Comeback?

By Derek Moore

Show Summary:

 Jay Pestrichelli, CEO of ZEGA Financial, joins Derek Moore again to discuss markets going higher even when earnings decline post bear markets. Plus, they discuss Michael Kantro’s HOPE graph showing the order of slowing in the economy through the lens of Housing, New Orders, Profits, and Employment. Then they move on to the drivers of returns talking through PE multiples, margins, revenues, buybacks, and dividends. Speaking of dividends, are they going to be the next big thing if investors believe markets may trade flat for a while? Finally, Jay and Derek give some recommendations that may or may not be good.

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Topics Include:

  • Percentage of total stock returns dividends historically make up
  • Examining prior 1 year forward stock returns after bear market low is in vs. earnings declines
  • HOPE or Housing, Orders, Profits, Employment, and typical cycles from slowdown to expansion
  • How dividends plus premium (covered call) selling may augment returns in flat markets
  • Where market returns come from
  • How changing margins, PE multiples, share buybacks, and revenues determine returns
  • Examining where returns came from in other decades and where we stand now
  • Will dividends be the next hot investment area funds flow to?
  • Number of new highs in markets by year
  • Number of greater than >1% down days in the S&P 500 Index
  • How much the Fed Funds futures implied interest rate has changed by a wide amount
  • Being hedged vs a dividend strategy

 Mentioned in this Episode:

 US Debt Bomb and Growing Interest Rates effects on US Federal Deficit and Budget 

 Underperformance of International Stocks 

 Jay Pestrichelli’s book Buy and Hedge 

 Derek’s new book on public speaking Effortless Public Speaking 

 Derek Moore’s book Broken Pie Chart